How do you know there is a God? By Ravi Zacharias

How do we know that there is a God? Based on information, meaning of existence in the material world and physical Quantity and intellectual  self-awareness. Therefore our existence and all around us points to the creator, God who had good reasons for creating all of these elements in an orderly world to engage human kind and to establish us in the environment where we can see his glory. Ask all the relevant questions and find the answers to our meaning.

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13 Responses to How do you know there is a God? By Ravi Zacharias

  1. misunderstoodranter says:

    Yes – but he is an evangelist, in previous posts you have stated you do not subscribe to their views – which is a view I respect.

    He has no specialist knowledge in evolutionary biology – and no scientific qualifications – he also can not count judging by his descriptions of probability. As an evangelist he has his own agenda to push ID – you really need to do some research into ID, and I don’t mean the science side or the argument – I mean into the background of the people that push it.

    Evangelists are the monsters of religion and using them to back up your view degrades your philosophy.

  2. Ravi Zacharias is a Doctor of Apologetics and not TV Evangelist. It is his job to understand supposed obstacles that people may have, then he would look at the answers that may be appropriate. He uses reason, there is not manipulation that you see with TV evangelists do, he is not getting the audience into a frenzy or trying to get them high on emotions that you will find often done on the videos that you send me.

    There is a big difference between what Dr Zacharias does and what TV evangelists do. I’m just surprised you can’t see the difference, or maybe I should not be surprised considering that you send me so many videos that just have no scientific backing.

    It goes down to that same mantra. He who shouts the loudest, or he who persists regardless of the evidence will eventually be seen as a winner. However note that this is not how logic and reason work.

    Defend the word

  3. misunderstoodranter says:

    The problem I have with Ravi Zacharias is that he would never consider the probability of there being no god at all. Therefore this is not reason.

  4. None of us is born Christian so he must have considered it at some point.

  5. misunderstoodranter says:

    Banana’s prove that god created us…

    and then you wonder why I do not believe creationalists…. because this is ridiculous.

    The banana has a tab at the top like a can of soda? It turns yellow to tell us when it is ripe?

    What is this man talking about?

  6. Why do you object my deletion of your very bad attempt to mock ID.? First of all man who put that together does not understand what the ID stands for. Second of all there are so many videos like that out there, no need to put them here you know what I stand for. I do not wish to advertise stupidity here. That would only downgrade all serious conversations that are already recorded here. So no I will not make mockery out of this very important conversation.

    Cheers

    Defend the word

  7. misunderstoodranter says:

    I think I have made my point here – well at least I take some comfort in that you must have watched it to censor it.

    This is the problem with Christianity – it sensors what it does not like – for no really good reason.

    Yes there are lots of video’s out there like this one – but this one is thought provoking – it raises a serious issue.

    Why would god design DNA if that DNA could evolve into parasites and diseases – it highlights the flaw in the ‘design’ that is supposed to be intelligent and by a an all knowing god.

    Anyhow, this is all by and by, I have started to re-read the bible from front to back. I have found serious flaws in Genesis, like the fact that no women are mentioned for Adam and Eves sons to procreate with. However, I did notice that the majority of the first chapter / book has many passages that show the family trees of those mentioned within it – and counts the years that they lived.

    I guess this is where the supposed age of the earth comes from…

  8. As I said before, those videos are not hidden; there are many atheists that will post them on their blogs. What I want is a challenge to the idea that I have included here.

    If you want view from Christian perspective on DNA issue, then the fact that humanity has fallen as recorded in Genesis you will also find in the Bible that the earth is cursed which will result exactly in the decline and degradation of DNA copying as one would predict it.

    This too confirms and does not refute Christianity. At least you have to accept that intellectually this makes sense. I know you won’t but that is because you are brainwashed into thinking that scientific dogmas of Evolution must be true regardless of all the missing “evidence” that is incidentally still not there.

    As for the age of the earth, yes the genealogy is the reason Young Earth creationist would claim the earth to be young. However note that ID does not venture there if that helps you at all. I doubt it would help, but at least draw some distinction between the two.

    As for the Adam and Eve, I’m sure we covered that before; yes they would have married their relatives but note that there was no law against it, who would report them to the police. Oh wait there was no police as they were only one family.

    As we talked before about this issue DNA of humans does seam to point to the origin of humans coming out possibly from Africa and that we all share common ancestry. So again is not contradictory to the Bible but supportive of the story or at least keeping that option open.

    On the issue of the Video of design, even Dr Dawkins says that we have to keep on saying to ourselves that things are not designed. And we have therefore counter intuitively to explain away our original presupposition. So the silly attempt to show how nature can be cruel to humans and therfore disproving design note that it does not make the grade of being clever, but on the contrary rather foolish if I can be so bold to say it.

  9. Again you put everyone all the creationists is the same basket, that is the critical error of your thinking here.

  10. misunderstoodranter says:

    “As for the Adam and Eve, I’m sure we covered that before; yes they would have married their relatives but note that there was no law against it, who would report them to the police. Oh wait there was no police as they were only one family.”

    Errm – that isn’t the issue here – the issue is of reproduction and what happens to the human DNA if in breeding occurs – you should look this up it is interesting. This is the reason why it is illegal to have children with your sister or mother – it is not a moral issue, it is the fact that it is genetically dangerous – this is something that has been known about for hundreds of years – even before science understood why. For the rest of the world’s population to have arrived Eves sons would have had to have sex with their mother and / or their sisters – and produced healthy children from this process… have you seen what happens when humans inbreed intensively?

    However, put the biology aside for a moment – the bible says in later parts that incest is a sin / crime punishable by death. So while there was no police, god who was watching and was actively walking about the earth with humans would have punished them or mentioned something about this to them – he did not (in Genesis) from what I can see reprimand them or warn them, or comfort them about this. Where did all the wives come from?

    I can’t see how you can separate ID theory from the creation in the bible – and the two bits of evidence contradict each other. Either the bible is true, and the world is 4000 or so years old – or it is false and the ID people are right…

    In any case ID seems confused – some parts of the movement seem to think everything was designed and was then as it is now – i.e. without evolution – ok fine, so where are the fossilised bunny rabbits then, and why are their complete dinosaur skeletons all over the world crust.

    Then other parts of the ID movement seem to say that evolution exists, but the process of evolution is designed by god.

    I think ID theory which includes evolution is a stronger argument – but it is not as strong as pure evolutionary theory, not when you really look at it in detail like the thousands of scientists have.

    As for brainwashing, yeah I think you are right – I have been brainwashed, there is a conspiracy against god and Christianity and all world religions by science and I must be in on it or have been taken in by it. After all what has science actually done for us… nothing, absolutely nothing – it never split the Atom, it never cured polio, and small pox – it never increased life expectancy or provided pain free surgery – it never managed to clone a sheep called dolly – all of this is conspiracy for brain washing – and even if science did do these things then that is evil.

    Please change the record – Christians love the bible, because explains nothing – it makes them feel protected watched over at night – like a security blanket – and it is a lot easier to read than a scientific paper.

    First there was Adam and Eve, and when Darwin said actually I can see that we may have descended from animals – the Christians said no way – then DNA came back and said, he’s the thing – we have looked at this and it does add up… and then the Christians say, ohh no no, it was a design… and errm…. it is all in the bible.

    The bible is a book of tales – it has unicorns in it – science has not found a fossilised unicorn… oh I forget that’s because science is a conspiracy…

    By the way did you watch the Zietgiest links I posted? You talk about brain washing – did you watch the Christian review… which I found more interesting. The reason why is because, not only does that guy dress like Jesus – he loved all of Zietgiest and thought that it was true, except for the bit on Christianity and religion… not there is a surprise – I loved his reasons as well… they were so backed up.

  11. [“Errm – that isn’t the issue here – the issue is of reproduction and what happens to the human DNA if in breeding occurs – you should look this up it is interesting. This is the reason why it is illegal to have children with your sister or mother – it is not a moral issue, it is the fact that it is genetically dangerous – this is something that has been known about for hundreds of years – even before science understood why. For the rest of the world’s population to have arrived Eves sons would have had to have sex with their mother and / or their sisters – and produced healthy children from this process… have you seen what happens when humans inbreed intensively?”]

    First let me start that you yet again start with assumptions.
    1. That DNA was of same structure and quality that we find it today. This is what takes you to your conclusion that this bad. Yes it is bad today but was it bad with the very first family that is a different question.
    2. If Adam and Eve had plenty of children, if they lived for a very long time then you have plenty of matching partners.

    [“However, put the biology aside for a moment – the bible says in later parts that incest is a sin / crime punishable by death. So while there was no police, god who was watching and was actively walking about the earth with humans would have punished them or mentioned something about this to them – he did not (in Genesis) from what I can see reprimand them or warn them, or comfort them about this. Where did all the wives come from?”]

    You again jump the gun here. Here are some options for you to consider.
    1. This is before the law of the Moses was given; creation story is located at the very beginning of the humanity.
    2. When sin entered the humanity and earth was cursed by God as a result our DNA could have started to corrupt then it would have made good sense to introduce the new law that would prevent problems inbreeding can cause.

    [“I can’t see how you can separate ID theory from the creation in the bible – and the two bits of evidence contradict each other. Either the bible is true, and the world is 4000 or so years old – or it is false and the ID people are right…
    In any case ID seems confused – some parts of the movement seem to think everything was designed and was then as it is now – i.e. without evolution – ok fine, so where are the fossilised bunny rabbits then, and why are their complete dinosaur skeletons all over the world crust. Then other parts of the ID movement seem to say that evolution exists, but the process of evolution is designed by god. I think ID theory which includes evolution is a stronger argument – but it is not as strong as pure evolutionary theory, not when you really look at it in detail like the thousands of scientists have.”]

    In science we humans start from known to unknown. That means information that is available will be used to establish if we can understand the unknown parts of the puzzle.
    What I would say is as follows;
    1. Teach Evolution
    2. Teach ID theory
    3. Compare the two and analyse weaknesses and strengths of both theories.

    ID is more complicated and not contradicting to the Bible. There are number of issues that people who study the Bible and ID have proposed. I will outline few for you here.
    1. God Created everything through Evolution process but is was designed by God
    2. Long Earth history with some presuppositions
    a. There are two creation stories this may mean that earth had to go through second creation. (I don’t subscribe to this myself)
    b. There are differences in the days in creation story. I.e. Last day in particular. These days may have been long periods i.e. Psalm 80 says one day is like 1000 years and 1000 year is like one day for God.
    c. Short Earth History 6,000 not 4000 creationists based on the genealogy of the Bible.

    So as you can see, unless you have time travelling machine all of these do seems to have some merit and should not be ignored.

    [“As for brainwashing, yeah I think you are right – I have been brainwashed, there is a conspiracy against god and Christianity and all world religions by science and I must be in on it or have been taken in by it. After all what has science actually done for us… nothing, absolutely nothing – it never split the Atom, it never cured polio, and small pox – it never increased life expectancy or provided pain free surgery – it never managed to clone a sheep called dolly – all of this is conspiracy for brain washing – and even if science did do these things then that is evil.”]

    You use rhetoric rather than reason here as with most of your previous comments. Can you see the difference with what I say and how you comment?

    OK so maybe I should have said that you have been influenced, (But would that change the outcome) I worry that you don’t take much note of what I’m saying to you. This is why I had to challenge you to think for yourself. It’s called critical thinking, same as you challenge me I have right to point inconsistencies in your thinking.

    [“Please change the record – Christians love the bible, because explains nothing – it makes them feel protected watched over at night – like a security blanket – and it is a lot easier to read than a scientific paper. First there was Adam and Eve, and when Darwin said actually I can see that we may have descended from animals – the Christians said no way – then DNA came back and said, he’s the thing – we have looked at this and it does add up… and then the Christians say, ohh no no, it was a design… and errm…. it is all in the bible. The bible is a book of tales – it has unicorns in it – science has not found a fossilised unicorn… oh I forget that’s because science is a conspiracy…”]

    We have been through this before but you obviously did not pay any attention. Your assumption is emotional blackmail that will not work on me! Use reason don’t plead to human emotions and admiration for the science. Christians are not anti science and you should know better then make joke about the whole thing.

    Could you point me out to the unicorn story in the Bible please, there are so many lies in what atheists say, shame on Dr Dawkins for it, if he had any shame. Dr Dawkins told you wrong my friend.

    [“By the way did you watch the Zietgiest links I posted? You talk about brain washing – did you watch the Christian review… which I found more interesting. The reason why is because, not only does that guy dress like Jesus – he loved all of Zietgiest and thought that it was true, except for the bit on Christianity and religion… not there is a surprise – I loved his reasons as well… they were so backed up.”]

    You really need to learn to distinguish Christianity from other religions.

    Guy in the video was not Christian, he follows Jewish sect and his reference to Cabala should have been a clue that he loves alchemy, use of mathematics to work symmetrical clues from the texts of the Old Testament (Bible code).

    On the Zietgiest you will not find one serious person who would seriously consider that rubbish to be true. There is loads of true information but all the dots were connected in the wrong places.

    Guy in your video did point to some important inconsistencies but had missed some too.

    1. Jesus story was incorporated into many legends as we see from the change in the original story and change at the later date (Post Christ death and resurrection) in number of stories of the Middle East and Greece. This was also true of the Catholic Church they did adopt 25th of December as the date of birth of Christ.
    2. Some similarities are so funnily exaggerated and were easy to explain. It’s like saying: you have eyes and I have eyes therefore we must be blood brothers. That is just plain stupid. Legend about sun coming up and going down and then linking that to the death and rising of Christ could not be any more inappropriate even if one tried.
    3. Loads of information was factual but not applicable in the parts of the story he wanted to put together. It’s like me taking car completely apart and wanting to create a tank it just does not add up.

    But for those who are easily impressed and don’t check the “facts” that are peddled by clever deceitful liars these are going to be sufficient to confuse them. This is precisely why I have created my blog and why many others aim to redress the balance.

    Did you notice music and calm voice in the film working in tandem? That is a very common way to hypnotise and manipulate people. It puts them at easy and you can then mould their minds the way you want them to think. That is something I would recommend you to read about. There was a big study in Soviet Union and Hitler used some of these in his rhetorical speeches in order to control masses. You should be on a look out and analyse if someone is trying to control you.
    1. Check if you are being blackmailed emotionally. I.e. your loyalty to your country, or any other thing you may admire. This includes love for the intellectual and scientific discoveries (appeal to the Intellectual pride)
    2. Appeal to the authority, like “all the scientist say this or that”. This is often incorrect as I assume you would know this, there are often significant disagreements in scientific community. All you need to do is read any scientific journal.
    3. Something bad is pointed out about the opponent and then this is used to discredit his presupposition. Even though two are probably not connected.
    Anyway I will have to go now for the nigh, I will be back on Monday afternoon.

    Regards

    Defend the word

  12. misunderstoodranter says:

    “Could you point me out to the unicorn story in the Bible please, there are so many lies in what atheists say, shame on Dr Dawkins for it, if he had any shame. Dr Dawkins told you wrong my friend….”

    OK – here you go – looks like Dr Dawkin’s wasn’t lying.

    Unicorns: King James version of the bible

    Numbers 23:22

    God brought them out of Egypt; he hath as it were the strength of an unicorn.

    Deuteronomy 33:17

    His glory is like the firstling of his bullock, and his horns are like the horns of unicorns: with them he shall push the people together to the ends of the earth: and they are the ten thousands of Ephraim, and they are the thousands of Manasseh.

    Isaiah 34:7

    And the unicorns shall come down with them, and the bullocks with the bulls; and their land shall be soaked with blood, and their dust made fat with fatness.

    No Unicorns – looks like Unicorns to me…

    Now the thing is because I am a rational man – I accept that the word ‘Unicorn’ may have been mis-translated – this is reasonable to assume. In the same way that many meanings, words, phrases, passages, stories, accounts, fables etc. get changes over centuries, after being re-written… etc. I could write a tale and post it on the Internet and people would mis-interpret it as fact within weeks – that’s what happens in the speaking and listening world – Chinese whispers. Acceptance of human error is fundamental to my thought process – but some Christians take the word of the bible as the word of god literally – I am not sure how you can, when the bible has massive errors in it like this – it is totally irrational to do so in every way – I can not believe the bible, I have trouble believing what was written in the newspapers let alone something that was written thousands of years ago by people who were essentially primitives by our standards.

    “On the Zietgiest you will not find one serious person who would seriously consider that rubbish to be true. There is loads of true information but all the dots were connected in the wrong places.”

    So first it is ‘rubbish’ and then you say there is loads of truth in it?

    This is the difference here, I challenge everything, Zietgiest might be true, it may not be, and I am sure there is plenty of artistic licence in it – just like in the the bible. But I am more inclined to align my reasoning with a argument that questions why people follow a religion like sheep – rather than question it, and what the religion might be used for instead. To me it is far more probable that religion has been used by humans to inflict rule on other humans than it is likely to be the ‘word of god’ – and lets face it religion is pretty affective – it is one of the few things in this world that will convince people to kill themselves in the name of it – I would never die for a religion would you?

    But I would gladly lay my life down for something I did believe in.

    “Did you notice music and calm voice in the film working in tandem? That is a very common way to hypnotise and manipulate people. ”

    This comment beggars belief – Zietgiest is part entertainment yes, part fact yes, and part total garbage most certainly – yes! But you miss the point here – the point is there is enough fact to cast doubt in my mind that religion is nothing more than a tool that has been used to manipulate people for millennia – and that is Zietgiest’s point – he isn’t saying believe in zietgiest, he is simply saying question what people ask you to believe, because they may be taking advantage of you.

  13. Unicorns what unicorns????: King James version of the bible you should not relay on King James why did you not check any other translation sounds to me you just like to find fault and will bend over backwards not to see the truth. I will just for you copy verses from Young’s translation which is closest to the original Hebrew. Things I do for you!

    King James: Numbers 23:22 God brought them out of Egypt; he hath as it were the strength of an unicorn.

    Young Translation: Numbers 23:22 God is bringing them out from Egypt, As the swiftness of a Reem is to him;

    King James: Deuteronomy 33:17 His glory is like the firstling of his bullock, and his horns are like the horns of unicorns: with them he shall push the people together to the ends of the earth: and they are the ten thousands of Ephraim, and they are the thousands of Manasseh.

    Young: Deuteronomy 33:17 His honour is a firstling of his ox, And his horns are horns of a reem; By them peoples he doth push together To the ends of earth; And they are the myriads of Ephraim, And they are the thousands of Manasseh.

    King James: Isaiah 34:7 And the unicorns shall come down with them, and the bullocks with the bulls; and their land shall be soaked with blood, and their dust made fat with fatness.

    Young’s translation: Isaiah 34:7 And come down have reems with them, And bullocks with bulls, And soaked hath been their land from blood, And their dust from fatness is made fat.

    Hey suddenly there are no unicorns in the Bible, so I guess either Dr Dawkins did not know or deliberately choose to distort the fact by relying on translation that is hundreds of years old.

    On the Issue of Zeitgeist

    Check the videos I posted while ago, I was hopeful you were going to check them but you obviously spent some time away from my blog.

    https://defendtheword.wordpress.com/2009/10/01/zeitgeist-challenge-exposes-acharya-s-and-zeitgeist/

    and

    https://defendtheword.wordpress.com/2009/10/01/zeitgeist-a-scholarly-response-to-the-movie/

    And you can find plenty more on Youtube if only you search with the open mind. By the way on the issue of manipulation you should check the atheists and humanist propaganda and review it critically and suddenly hey presto they are the one that use manipulation and emotional blackmail and aggressive argument.

    On the issue of religious people taking advantage of you, and in the case of you and I do I get any benefit from you? There are plenty of places you can go that will not ask you for your money or any other thing. Christianity in its original form is designed to benefit you not vice versa.

    Welcome back

    Defend the word

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